Was the Iran election rigged?
The Iranian government has admitted some discrepencies. Mostly that more votes were cast than voters.
I wonder if ACORN was involved? They have (as of this weekend, it seems) moved out of the US and changed their name…
Here’s some video.
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June 22nd, 2009 at 8:50 pm
This is so sad.
You are still stuck on Acorn? Besides the fact that there are no legitimate links between Obama and Acorn people want to act as if Acorn won the election for Obama. McCain had no chance. He got blew out. I think he lost the election by like 9 million votes. The people knew his ideas were garbage and they voted for change.
As far as Iran, I called this whole thing before it happened. I knew they would try to say the election was rigged because the guy they don’t like won. We had an election that was much more rigged in 2000 than this. More people voted for Al Gore than for Bush. Period. No one can debate this. So the United States has no moral authority to tell anyone how to operate their elections.
July 4th, 2009 at 3:58 am
“More people voted for Al Gore than for Bush. Period.”
Your right, but what does this matter? Our founding fathers did not want presidential elections won that way. We are a republic not a democracy retard. That is why we have an electoral college. You do know that our found fathers did not want a democracy, correct?
***A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.
– Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the United States
***The experience of all former ages had shown that of all human governments, democracy was the most unstable, fluctuating and short-lived.
– John Quincy Adams, 6th President of the United States
***Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.
– John Adams, 2nd President of the United States
***We are a Republican Government. Real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of Democracy… It has been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity.
– Alexander Hamilton, Secretary of the Treasury to George Washington, an author of the Federalist Papers
I can keep going, you get the point.
Also I read your garbage before. You are dishonest, at best.
Example, “Under Bushy, 6000 ish, now under Obama 8000 ish.”
Since it won’t let me paste the graph, here is the link, http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=^DJI
Exactly when under Bush’s term did it reach 6000? The lowest it hit was around 7550 in November. This is just one example of your dishonesty. Why don’t you toss that garbage of an economic theory you have, Keynesian, and look at one that works, like the Austrian economist. They are the only ones that saw this meltdown coming.
Before you do what seems to be your favorite, “It’s Bush’s fault!” and change the subject, I don’t care about Bush. I am not a fan, but also not a hater. You can’t put me in a box. The democrats and republicans both piss on the Constitution. Also, since you seem to think that the democrats and liberals care so much about the Constitution, I would love to get in debate about that. First, where on God’s green earth, does this federal government get the authority for bailouts, entitlements, etc?
July 5th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
1. “More people voted for Al Gore than for Bush. Period.”
Your right, but what does this matter? Our founding fathers did not want presidential elections won that way. We are a republic not a democracy retard. That is why we have an electoral college. You do know that our found fathers did not want a democracy, correct?
I can tell by your discourse that you are an extremely intelligent person. This should be a wonderful debate and you shouldn’t have a problem handling a “retard” correct? First you point out that Gore v. Bush is not relevant. You would be wrong. In the context in which I used it, it was extremely relevant. For a country that had a rigged election 9 years ago, it stands to reason that we should not be interjecting ourselves into another countries election process. Also nowhere in my posts have you seen me shill for democracy nor be naïve enough to believe that we have one in this country. Hopefully you can improve your in depth reading abilities.
***A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.
– Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the United States
***The experience of all former ages had shown that of all human governments, democracy was the most unstable, fluctuating and short-lived.
– John Quincy Adams, 6th President of the United States
***Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.
– John Adams, 2nd President of the United States
***We are a Republican Government. Real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of Democracy… It has been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity.
– Alexander Hamilton, Secretary of the Treasury to George Washington, an author of the Federalist Papers
Ok this shows me that you can copy and paste. Again, since you cannot offer any evidence that I have been out shilling for this so called democracy, your argumentation comes across as petty. That is unfortunate. Also, it is usually not a great idea to support your arguments with men who own black people as slaves or completely destroyed the culture of native Americans. Just for future reference.
I can keep going, you get the point.
Not really but I am glad you stopped cutting and pasting poor sources.
Also I read your garbage before. You are dishonest, at best.
Example, “Under Bushy, 6000 ish, now under Obama 8000 ish.”
Since it won’t let me paste the graph, here is the link, http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=^DJI
Exactly when under Bush’s term did it reach 6000? The lowest it hit was around 7550 in November. This is just one example of your dishonesty. Why don’t you toss that garbage of an economic theory you have, Keynesian, and look at one that works, like the Austrian economist. They are the only ones that saw this meltdown coming.
Yes clearly because I stated the market bottomed out in the 6000ish area when it was actually the 7000ish area makes me dishonest. The point of the statement being that under Clinton the market flourished, under Bush it sank. However, if you would like to run with the idea I am dishonest, feel free. I believe most intelligent people would agree the economies under Clinton and Obama are improved from that of Bush. Yes Austrian economists know exactly what is going on. I could pull your game of copy and pasting all the ridiculous predictions that “economists” like Ron Paul have made that have never come to pass. A matter of fact I saw a few months ago he said we were heading for a 15 year depression. I’ll hold my breath. Or let me guess, Peter Schiff right? Guy has predicted more things wrong than right, plus his father is a tax cheat. But I’m sure I will get into a completely off topic “income tax is unconstitutional (it’s not) argument with you now.”
Before you do what seems to be your favorite, “It’s Bush’s fault!” and change the subject, I don’t care about Bush.
Great. He was terrible.
I am not a fan, but also not a hater.
You should be, he trampled the Constitution, started unnecessary wars and wreckshopped the economy.
You can’t put me in a box.
Nor do I care to.
The democrats and republicans both piss on the Constitution.
I would venture to guess the Constitution was violated much more under the previous administration than the current.
Also, since you seem to think that the democrats and liberals care so much about the Constitution, I would love to get in debate about that.
I don’t mind that at all.
First, where on God’s green earth, does this federal government get the authority for bailouts, entitlements, etc?
Once you answer the many flawed claims in this post I will pursue this line of argumentation. I’m not going to let you hijack the conservation with a red herring. Good luck.
July 5th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
“Ok this shows me that you can copy and paste. Again, since you cannot offer any evidence that I have been out shilling for this so called democracy, your argumentation comes across as petty. That is unfortunate. Also, it is usually not a great idea to support your arguments with men who own black people as slaves or completely destroyed the culture of native Americans. Just for future reference.
I can keep going, you get the point.
Not really but I am glad you stopped cutting and pasting poor sources.”
What a great intellectual argument, since the founding fathers owned slaves, we should just ignore them! This right here shows your great disdain for America. Quoting the mean who founded the most prosperous and powerful nation on earth is bogus [/sarcasm] I guess all of our judges and justices that read the federalist papers to get an understanding of the Constitution are using “poor” sources too.
Also, you are in a very small minority that thinks quoting the founding fathers on the Constitution is “not a great idea.”
Slavery never came up, nor should it have. You didn’t have anything to counter with, so you tried to “white guilt” me. It’s not going to work. You are flat out ridiculous.
I see that you like to use history (BLAME BUSH) when you feel it is to your benefit but totally ignore it when it debunks your beliefs. Way to be open minded!
“Yes clearly because I stated the market bottomed out in the 6000ish area when it was actually the 7000ish area makes me dishonest.”
Ok let’s say that you’re not being dishonest, you deliberately exaggerated. Bush’s economic plan sucked and so does Obama’s. They are both Keynesians, just different in how they spend the money and grow the government. Clinton was headed into a recession anyway before he even left office. Guess you just like to ignore that fact.
If you seriously think we have not hit the bottom, then all I can do is laugh at you. Oh, and you rag on Peter Schiff, but what public official, what democrat or liberal, or what Keynesian economist saw this bubble? Last I heard, Barney Frank and Charlie Rangel kept saying there was no bubble, this economic boom would go on indefinitely, etc. Can you name one?
“I could pull your game of copy and pasting”
Yeah because copying and pasting sources in an internet debate is ridiculous. I mean using facts to back up a statement is ridiculous. Isn’t that what history books do? Isn’t that what politicians do to make a point? Copying and pasting to make a point is the same thing. Do what you do best though; throw out liberal talking points which amount to blaming Bush for everything.
“Or let me guess, Peter Schiff right? Guy has predicted more things wrong than right, plus his father is a tax cheat. But I’m sure I will get into a completely off topic “income tax is unconstitutional (it’s not) argument with you now.”
It’s called predictions and there is not one person on this earth that is right on everything. However, this guy has been right more than any Keynesians. Talk about his dad. I don’t care about his dad. Just because his dad was cheat does not mean he is. The “son does not carry the sin of the father.” Is it really fair to judge someone by the way their parents are?
Now you want to talk about tax cheats (I can’t believe the nerve you had to bring this up), lets look at the character of some of your men. Tim Geithner, Charlie Rangel, etc. The list goes on and on.
“Also, since you seem to think that the democrats and liberals care so much about the Constitution, I would love to get in debate about that.
I don’t mind that at all.”
Then why did you avoid it and bring up subjects that were never even raised? That’s what I love about libs, they can’t argue something so they avoid it and change the subject. Let’s stick to one thing.
“First, where on God’s green earth, does this federal government get the authority for bailouts, entitlements, etc?
Once you answer the many flawed claims in this post I will pursue this line of argumentation.”
Need time to think huh? Let me guess, general welfare. Don’t even go there until you know what our founders meant and said about this, but seeing as you could care less about them, what good would it do.
Be honest, do you even really care about our Constitution or our Constitutional Republic?
July 5th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
Missed this….
“First you point out that Gore v. Bush is not relevant. You would be wrong. In the context in which I used it, it was extremely relevant. For a country that had a rigged election 9 years ago, it stands to reason that we should not be interjecting ourselves into another countries election process.”
It is not relevant because it was not rigged, but I digress.
Just so you know, I don’t believe we should be involved with a sovereign country like Iran, Nicaragua, etc. We should not police the world. The internal functions/problems of a another country are not our business, ever.
Now I, as an individual, can hope the Ayatollah, or whoever gets overthrown, but as a country the US has no business meddling. That goes for Nicaragua, Bosnia, Darfur, etc. too. The two are not mutually exclusive.
“Also nowhere in my posts have you seen me shill for democracy nor be naïve enough to believe that we have one in this country.”
Well when you say that Bush lost because Gore had more of the popular vote, them it implies and alludes to you believing this country is a democracy. My point was it was never intended to be one, nor should it. So popular vote does not matter or even brought up.
Also, let me apologize for calling you a retard, poor choice in my words.
July 6th, 2009 at 1:22 am
“First you point out that Gore v. Bush is not relevant. You would be wrong. In the context in which I used it, it was extremely relevant. For a country that had a rigged election 9 years ago, it stands to reason that we should not be interjecting ourselves into another countries election process.”
It is not relevant because it was not rigged, but I digress.
If you want to accept that it was a legit election that was not manipulated by members of the Republican party, feel free. However you would definitely be in the minority with that opinion.
Just so you know, I don’t believe we should be involved with a sovereign country like Iran, Nicaragua, etc. We should not police the world. The internal functions/problems of a another country are not our business, ever.
Now I, as an individual, can hope the Ayatollah, or whoever gets overthrown, but as a country the US has no business meddling. That goes for Nicaragua, Bosnia, Darfur, etc. too. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Good call. Certainly we shouldn’t get involved when there is genocide like in Darfur. It’s not our problem. Yay moral high ground….
“Also nowhere in my posts have you seen me shill for democracy nor be naïve enough to believe that we have one in this country.”
Well when you say that Bush lost because Gore had more of the popular vote, them it implies and alludes to you believing this country is a democracy. My point was it was never intended to be one, nor should it. So popular vote does not matter or even brought up.
You are incorrect. My stating that more people voted for Gore does not imply nor allude to my belief that this country is a democracy. The people actually have very little say and anyone who knows me knows that I espouse these beliefs constantly. In the next post I will touch you calling people like Charlie Rangel “my man” and referring to me as a “lib”, unfortunately to those that know me you only make yourself look ignorant. You know very little about my views.
Also, let me apologize for calling you a retard, poor choice in my words.
I don’t get worked up over people who do not use civil discourse. Unfortunately it has become commonplace in this society.
July 6th, 2009 at 1:41 am
“Ok this shows me that you can copy and paste. Again, since you cannot offer any evidence that I have been out shilling for this so called democracy, your argumentation comes across as petty. That is unfortunate. Also, it is usually not a great idea to support your arguments with men who own black people as slaves or completely destroyed the culture of native Americans. Just for future reference.
I can keep going, you get the point.
Not really but I am glad you stopped cutting and pasting poor sources.”
What a great intellectual argument, since the founding fathers owned slaves, we should just ignore them!
Actually I never advocated ignoring them, just pointed out the sources are easily indicted.
This right here shows your great disdain for America.
Yes you are correct. I can’t stand America. I am apparently by the fiat of your decision making now not a patriot and I guess I should be detained.
Quoting the mean who founded the most prosperous and powerful nation on earth is bogus [/sarcasm] I guess all of our judges and justices that read the federalist papers to get an understanding of the Constitution are using “poor” sources too.
Also, you are in a very small minority that thinks quoting the founding fathers on the Constitution is “not a great idea.”
Slavery never came up, nor should it have. You didn’t have anything to counter with, so you tried to “white guilt” me. It’s not going to work. You are flat out ridiculous.
I see that you like to use history (BLAME BUSH) when you feel it is to your benefit but totally ignore it when it debunks your beliefs. Way to be open minded!
Actually again you are incorrect. I do not attribute your leaving out facts as a sign of dishonesty but as one of lacking oversight. The major argument was that you have no evidence that I pushed democracy and I supported that argument by indicting your sources. Instead of hitting the major issue you accuse me of trying to “white guilt” you. I take great offense to you accusing me of being racist. I do not chalk this up to any sign of aggression on your part but to pure ignorance. Anyone who knows me knows that if there is one thing I do not tolerate is racism of any form. I am hoping your discourse is more well versed when you are in public forums.
“Yes clearly because I stated the market bottomed out in the 6000ish area when it was actually the 7000ish area makes me dishonest.”
Ok let’s say that you’re not being dishonest, you deliberately exaggerated. Bush’s economic plan sucked and so does Obama’s. They are both Keynesians, just different in how they spend the money and grow the government. Clinton was headed into a recession anyway before he even left office. Guess you just like to ignore that fact.
Yes it’s time for revisionist history. Oh Clinton’s time wasn’t great, had he been in another two years it would have been a crash. When Clinton was president our economy flourished. Under Bush it stunk. That’s it. If you don’t agree, fine, but again I feel that I am on very safe intellectual footing with this view.
If you seriously think we have not hit the bottom, then all I can do is laugh at you. Oh, and you rag on Peter Schiff, but what public official, what democrat or liberal, or what Keynesian economist saw this bubble? Last I heard, Barney Frank and Charlie Rangel kept saying there was no bubble, this economic boom would go on indefinitely, etc. Can you name one?
Since when I have I made the claim that Barney Frank and Charlie Rangel know what they are talking about. They are probably just as stupid as Bush.
“I could pull your game of copy and pasting”
Yeah because copying and pasting sources in an internet debate is ridiculous. I mean using facts to back up a statement is ridiculous.
Well actually you didn’t copy and paste facts, you merely copy and pasted quotes that were anti democracy with no evidence I was ever pro democracy…..
Isn’t that what history books do?
Isn’t that what politicians do to make a point?
Copying and pasting to make a point is the same thing. Do what you do best though; throw out liberal talking points which amount to blaming Bush for everything.
Again, throw out liberal talking points. First off you do know that liberal is not a dirty word and not tied to democrats right? And I’m not sure what your argument on copy and paste would have to do with Bush, so no, I won’t bring him into this. I have granted your wish sir….
“Or let me guess, Peter Schiff right? Guy has predicted more things wrong than right, plus his father is a tax cheat. But I’m sure I will get into a completely off topic “income tax is unconstitutional (it’s not) argument with you now.”
It’s called predictions and there is not one person on this earth that is right on everything.
Agreed.
However, this guy has been right more than any Keynesians.
Don’t agree. Nor is this a provable argument. But more power to your opinion, I might not agree with what you say but I will fight to the death to defend your ability to say it……
Talk about his dad. I don’t care about his dad. Just because his dad was cheat does not mean he is. The “son does not carry the sin of the father.” Is it really fair to judge someone by the way their parents are?
Might want to tell that to all those repub/libertarian/constitutionalists out there calling Obama a muslim because of the religion of his father. I hope you were telling them to end that mess during the election season…..
Now you want to talk about tax cheats (I can’t believe the nerve you had to bring this up), lets look at the character of some of your men. Tim Geithner, Charlie Rangel, etc. The list goes on and on.
Now it’s your turn to show your “facts”. Go find me any post where I have said anything positive about Geithner or Rangel. I will wait because you won’t do it…..
“Also, since you seem to think that the democrats and liberals care so much about the Constitution, I would love to get in debate about that.
I don’t mind that at all.”
Then why did you avoid it and bring up subjects that were never even raised? That’s what I love about libs, they can’t argue something so they avoid it and change the subject. Let’s stick to one thing.
Surely. I have done that quite well. I am a former all state debater here in the state of Texas. I would enjoy the opportunity.
“First, where on God’s green earth, does this federal government get the authority for bailouts, entitlements, etc?
Once you answer the many flawed claims in this post I will pursue this line of argumentation.”
Need time to think huh? Let me guess, general welfare. Don’t even go there until you know what our founders meant and said about this, but seeing as you could care less about them, what good would it do.
No I do not need time to think. I can write plenty on this topic and will do so as soon as you fulfill your intellectual debate burden. And I would love to discuss the general welfare clause of the Constitution in the future as well.
Be honest, do you even really care about our Constitution or our Constitutional Republic?
Didn’t you already answer that question by calling me a race baiter and un-American?