Obama’s Friends: Four More Terrorists
What do Howard Machtinger, Jeff Jones, Steve Tappis and Mark Rudd have in common?
1. They all have endorsed Barack Obama and are calling for more grassroots support of Mr. Obama.
Hmm…what else? Those names sound so familiar…oh yeah, that’s it!
2. They are all former top leaders of The Weathermen, a terrorist group that claimed responsibility for bombing US federal buildings in the 1970’s.
This is in addition to the other Weather Underground leaders Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dohrn who have been friends of Obama’s since the beginning. Wow.
Let’s see, the Weather Underground, Hamas…I don’t even need to continue. If these people aren’t a threat to the US, I don’t know who is.
It’s nice to know that all the radicals who are willing to attack US citizens are for Obama. I’m not sure if its because he shares their position on issues (likely) or because they want a weak president who will overlook their violent methods (also likely).
You know, back when I was young and stupid I used to play around with computers a bit too much. By that, I mean I was published in a well known hacker magazine and ran a hacker website. One would think that given my past, I’d be pro-Obama, and ten years ago, I may have been.
Fortunately, I grew up a bit. My former more liberal views have changed. I realized that the things I was in favor of and were participating in were wrong, so I gave them up.
Bill Ayers still proudly admits that they bombed buildings and wishes they could have done more, and doesn’t rule out the possibility of doing it again.
Wow. I’m not even old enough to remember these events (which occured before I was born), but I’ve apparently come a bit farther than some of these radicals.
That’s just what the US needs…a president with a terrorist army who can rival Al Qaeda and fight them on their own terms. Reduce government spending on weapon systems by implementing homemade explosive devices. Nice.
Not that I’m against non-standard weaponry…I’m not. However I fail to see how anyone can think this type of endorsement is a good thing in ANY way.
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October 4th, 2008 at 3:58 am
This is the old guilt by association trick. Ok so you found some old terrorists who say they support Obama. Therefore we should all believe Obama is a terrorist. Well lets try this same trick with John McCain and see how it works out.
John Hagee- Called the catholic church “The Great Whore”, advocated the death of Muslims worldwide by a join America and Israel strike.
Guess who activity sought and recieved his endorsement?
John McCain.
Now don’t go back and say, oh well yeah he sought his endorsement and then said he didn’t agree with the comments, because Obama spoke against comments of people who endorsed him and said racist things, like Farrikhan.
But we can keep going.
How about Rod Parsley? Ever hear of him? Yup, McCain sought and recieved his endorsement as well. Here are some lovely quotes of his….http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/05/john-mccain-rod-parsley-pastor-problem.html
Blames all muslims for 911, says Islam should be destroyed, etc.
Look, you can’t use half baked arguments. If you don’t like Obama, fine, but at least use fair arguments. Just as many nutjobs support McCain as they do Obama.
October 4th, 2008 at 11:01 am
OK, I’ll clarify my reasoning for thinking this is a valid position.
I wouldn’t want my children to hang out with gang members. Even if my kids aren’t doing anything wrong, there is still the potential influence of those ‘friends’ and their ideas. It’s better to have friends that want to do good rather than evil.
Now, while I agree with you that Rod Parsley’s comments are wrong, making a statement (regardless of factual correctness or political correctness or even right or wrong) is still protected by our constitution under ‘freedom of speech’. It doesn’t say ‘freedom of only saying appropriate things’. And frankly, I can’t see where McCain’s policies reflect any of Parsley’s attitude. I’ve also seen no evidence where McCain’s attitude matches that of someone who is a racist.
Either way, Parsley has a right to believe what he wants, even if it’s not correct.
The Weather Underground also has a right to believe what they want in regard to how they think the US should be run as well, even if it’s wrong. The difference is that they were blowing things up and advocating the killing of cops. They took it beyond stating their views into the realm of attacking the US, even issuing a declaration of war against it!
Speech is protected. Violence is not. Therefore, Parsley is wrong, but not a terrorist.
As for Hagee, you know…the book of Revelation refers to the Catholic church the same way, so I cannot say he’s wrong on that particular point.
Unfortunately, he still thinks that Israel are God’s chosen people, because he fails to grasp the teachings of the Bible in their proper context. Many people feel that this is the case, including people on BOTH sides of the party lines. Where I disagree with Hagee is that I don’t advocate the slaughter of anyone. Either way, that’s still free speech. And it’s not the same thing as blowing buildings up. Violence is not speech!
In my opinion, advocating the wrong thing is still not the same thing as attacking something. I feel that both are wrong, but that’s why we have the duty to teach people the right things. Both of these examples are people who are saying the wrong things based on their religious beliefs. I think you and I would both agree that they are not Christians in the same way that the Bible teaches. If they were, I doubt they would have feelings quite like this.
Actions speak louder than words.
October 4th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
You say McCain has not shown any signs of racism? Just go to google and type in McCain, 2000, and gook. I’m sure Asian Americans will agree with you.
Also this idea that somehow the Catholic church is “the Great Whore” and the throne of the anti Christ is rediculous.
You make the argument that the guys who support Obama are worse bc they blew stuff up. I see men like Hagee who support the human rights violations that Israel has committed over the past 20 years just as bad, if not worse.
October 4th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
No, I did not say that McCain hasn’t shown any signs of racism.
I said:
“I can’t see where McCain’s policies reflect any of Parsley’s attitude.”
Policies. Not personal feelings, not comments, not anything except policies.
I’m going to vote for the person whose policies I feel would be the best for this country. Neither Obama nor McCain are what I would consider new-testament Christians, so I don’t expect either one to be perfect in their personal lives, thoughts, etc.
I don’t believe that there is going to be an antichrist in the context that the denominational world does. The Bible did not teach this antichrist, pre-millenial, tribulation doctrine that many churches are promoting so of course I’m going to disagree with Hagee on that.
Hagee teaches things that are not in harmony with the teachings of the Bible, therefore he uses a guise to lead people away from the truth. I’m not saying he’s intentionally doing so, he’s probably very sincere in what he is doing. That doesn’t mean it is right.
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1 John 2:18-27:
18Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
20But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. 21I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. 22Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son. 23No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
24See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25And this is what he promised us—even eternal life.
26I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
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That passage will clarify what an antichrist is - someone who denies Jesus. I believe that this includes people who preach that baptism is not necessary for salvation and who teach things out of context from the Bible.
Isn’t blowing things up in a sense a violation of human rights? What about killing police officers, parents, etc? One murder is just as bad as another in God’s eyes, so I’m going to have to say that Hagee and Ayers are probably on the same level in God’s eyes.
Men have a tendency to make one sin worse than another. To God, killing a man in cold blood and stealing are just as evil. I tend to agree with that.
So, I suppose that none of the men running are qualified. Hmm…I think I’m going to have to go for whoever has the most sound and effective policies on things like the economy, foreign policy, etc.
Because when it comes to who’s character is worse (in comparison with the Scriptures), we can nitpick all day and night who said what when and point out that these things are wrong. We are all human, we have all sinned, and even I have said things that were wrong in the past. We all have.
October 4th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
This is what you put in your first reply:
And frankly, I can’t see where McCain’s policies reflect any of Parsley’s attitude. I’ve also seen no evidence where McCain’s attitude matches that of someone who is a racist.
You’ve seen no evidence that McCain’s attitude (not policy, attitude) matches that of a racist.
I gave you an example of that clearly.
As far as the Biblical debate, I’ll stay out of that.
And if you are following which policies are more sound for the country, tax cuts for the wealthy and big oil, continuing to promote an empire we cannot afford, continuing to promote interventionism across the world, continuing to piss off all of our allies and continuing to fight a war against a country that never attacked us certainly would not be the best policies for this country.
October 4th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Ah, ok. I see what you mean. That was an error on my part and I stand corrected. Sorry about that. I let my fingers get away from my mind.
I suppose I was referring to in his campaign. However, by the same token, people who have racist friends generally tend to share some opinions (but this is not to say that it’s 100% of the time).
Jeremiah Wright is racist as well. But I won’t delve into that right now.
And I halfway agree with you when you say we should stay out of other countries that didn’t attack us.
By halfway, I mean let’s not attack them unless it’s for the sake of defense. The ONLY time I feel a preemptive strike is necessary is when there is a legitimate and immediate threat involved (much the same way I feel about the right to shoot someone breaking into your house or threatening you with a weapon - a threat exists, regardless of if you are being attacked at the time or not). And even that is something that can be debated. I support self-defense. I don’t think we need to be invading countries just because we are the US and we can.
Big oil. Oil is big. It will always be big. Why? Because so many industries rely on oil…not just transportation. I feel, however, that increasing taxes on a company just because they make a lot of money is a bad thing. Seriously, if taxes (as they are now) are based on a percentage of income, naturally the more income you make the more you will pay in taxes. I feel that if you honestly and legitimately make a billion dollars, than it should be yours…you have earned it. I am in favor of the Fair Tax system. I think that letting Americans keep their money in their pockets is great. It would fully fund the government, and it benefits everyone…not just the rich or the poor.
If I work my butt off and make a million dollars this year with my web sites (which isn’t going to happen…lol), why should I have to pay more than the government deems as my fair share in taxes than someone who works their butt off and makes less than me? Either way, both of us are under the same tax system, but in different tax brackets, and we’ve both made an honest living…blah. The current tax system does, as they say, suck.
The Fair Tax would make it far more fair. And much more simple.
We need to do the following as a country: mind our own business, provide our own energy, quit being a police force to the world, stop supporting dictators and then turning on them, pass the fair tax, get rid of wasteful spending (earmarks), and remove the warning labels from EVERYTHING.
I need to sit down and write a post on where I stand on things…heh.
October 4th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Ok but remember if you make the assumption that those who have racist views tend to share opinions with their friends, then that would mean that McCain wants to destroy all of Islam. I disagree with you on this. I was raised in an extremely racist setting and maintained none of those views. I think most rational people would do the same.
Yes Jeremiah Wright is an idiot. That is why Obama spoke out against him and left his church.
I agree with you as far as attack only in self defense. However, I would also add stopping genocide in any country into that mix. But attacking a country that never attacked us is not okay. Attacking Iran because they have a nuke is not okay. We have many more nukes and leaders that are just as crazy as Iran’s. So why is it okay for us to have nukes and not them?
I completely disagree with your assessment on taxes. You say if you make a billion dollars that should be yours and the government should not take it to help someone else. That is where your premise falls. Our constitution was written based off the philosophies of Hobbes and Locke. Hobbes talked about a social contract between the people and the government, because the government protects you so that you can work, make money and not be killed or robbed of all your earnings. Without government men would be in a perpetual state of war. The only reason you have any of your money is because the government protects you. Therefore it is not your money, it is money the government allows you to have, and thus they have a stake in how it can be used.
The fair tax is an abomination. It hurts the poor and even so called conservatives like John McCain, Mitt Romney and Ron Paul have opposed it.
October 4th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
You make an excellent point on the racist views. I too grew up in a somewhat racist environment and do not share their views. About Obama, my concern is that he only left Wright’s church after something was said about it publicly. Even if we grant Obama the benefit of the doubt (that he was doing it because he disagreed), it is questionable as to why he waited so long to leave and why it took public attention for him to do so.
Of course, neither can be proved. Either he left because he disagreed with Wright, or he left because he feared it would hurt his shot at the presidency. I tend to agree with the latter based on the premise that if you don’t agree with the church you are in, you move to one that you do agree with. But like I said, all we have is Obama’s word on this.
Genocide is a horrible thing. But think about this: if we were to intervene in these situations, there would be countries that would be offended that we are policing the world. We can’t please everyone. In cases of genocide, perhaps we should offer support only if asked. We shouldn’t just throw our weight around. I mean, Saddam Hussein committed genocide as well and when we removed him from power, we get accused of invading a country that did not attack us. Perhaps we did. Either way, Saddam won’t be gassing any more people. It’s a sticky discussion to dive into.
On taxes, I agree that SOME of the taxes should be used to help people…to a degree. But this is where I think they should come from: all these earmarked bills should be eradicated and that freed-up tax money should be diverted to programs that benefit Americans as a whole, not just a few here and there (or museums, etc.).
Yes, the government allows us to have money. I hope the day never comes when they change their mind. The government protects our right to work and we pay taxes to help fund them. I am OK with that premise.
Our government allows us to work as much as we want in order to make as much money as we want…any of which they will get a cut of. Naturally, with a tax system, the more we make, the more they get. Sounds pretty fair.
The Fair Tax seems to be an exceptionally solid tax plan. I don’t see any way that it hurts the poor (it puts more money in their pockets). It doesn’t raise prices (which is what many skeptics say because they don’t understand how it works), and the government still gets the money it needs to run. I think Neal Boortz can explain it far better than I can, and recommend checking out his writings on the subject.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:12 am
Yeah. This sounds an awful lot like guilt by association to me. It reminds me of the witch hunts in the 1950s, “Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the communist party?”, except even worst:
“Are you friends with anyone that was ever a member of the weather underground?”
I guess this is what campaigns resort to when they don’t have anything positive to say about their own positions. I know that Sen. McCain condemned this sort of attacks earlier this year.
However, what is more striking to me is that Christians would repeat something like this. Afterall, Jesus spent his time with prostitutes and tax collectors. He was condemned by pharisees for this.
I guess we are just seeing a lot of new political pharisees.
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